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Verse 66

By taking shelter of the strength of the Krsna conscious spiritual master's devotional service the ill effects or contamination of the demoniac previous spiritual master is counteracted and destroyed. These activities are recommended by all Vaisnava authorities as the authorized conclusions of the sastra.

Verse 67

During the pastimes of Lord Sri Krsna Caitanya Mahaprabhu there have been many practical examples of the above.


This concludes the deliberation and final conclusions of sadhu , sastra on guru on the spiritual master and related matters. related letters: 1/21/98 21:28 Dear Jayapatka Maharaj,


     Hare Krisnha. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to SrilaPrabhupada.
     I hesitate to take your time with my imperfect and insufficient attempts to defend ISKCON's position and defeat philosophically certain Ritvik and pasandhi critics of our society. (file of VNN Forum exchanges included). However no one here in American, either Ravindra Swarupa, or the other sannyasis on the wstrat com have been able to give me any further information regarding Sri Krsna Bhajanamrta. At the suggestion of your disciple, Mother Madhusudani devi dasi I am writing to you.


If you scan the attached letters (furnished upon request from (puru.acbsp@com.bbt.se) you will see that they first rejected the book since SP did not write it, and then changed their stance slightly to simply insult your translation of it as spurious. They also complained that I quoted out of context. I couldn't reproduce the entire book, and they won't listen anyway.


     The point they make that I cannot counter, except with my own limited understanding, is that this book was meant only for the time period of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu's direct appearance and it was "a handbook of how to leave your bhogus guru and join the pure unalloyed movement of Prema Bhakti." Of course the introduction clarifies the book's source and history. I did not explain any of that information since it would have falen on deaf ears.


Can you help me to defeat them on this point of the timeliness or lack thereof of the book, and help me to explain the apparrent contradiction that they point out, that guru cannot fall, because then

he is not really guru. I tried to give some rational explanation of how I understand this issue, and that guru tattva is a simple matter of maintaing our connection to Srila Prabhupada and if we disconnect from His Divine Grace we lose that shakti.


They do not accept this idea at all. They are quite fanatical in their insitance that only the utthama can give diksa, and it is practically a waste of time (I have wasted too much on them) to even try to explain anything to them. Yet since the cyber war is on, I could still use some other references about this book, whether you know anything SP said about it, how to understand its present day context, and the apparent contradiction it points out, that a guru might fall. I appreciate any time you can take to help me in this matter. I personally find this whole matter extremely distasteful and offensive but someone has to place opposing arguments to counter the lunatic, fanatic fringe from PADA and the Prabhupadanugas. To date,except for official GBC Journals and the

former Ritvik debates, no one who gives diksa has gotten into this fray, except for Umapati Maharaj and Vipramukhya Swami who work on the chakra web sight.


Perhaps I could encourage you to write a small article on the

subject, since you did translate the book, and must have thought it has important instructions to help devotees dealing with this dilemna. I found the book tobe very informative in regards to Godbrother relations. The only other thing we have ever read on this subject was that letter Pradyumna wrote back when the zonal acarya system was being put in place. I would much rather consult this book than consult members of the Gaudiya Math, on what is the correct thing to do. Thanking you in advance for tolerating my wordy request and my inadequate defense of the diksa gurus of ISKCON. I remain,

Your servant,
Puru Das Adhikari, Curator
Bhaktivedanta Memorial,
BrooklynN.Y.

1/22/98 15:27 [Text 1115678 from COM]

Camp: Korsnas Gard ISKCON, SMPDC Mayapur Masterplan Meetings, Sweden.

My Dear God brother Puru das,


Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Sri la Prabhupada. Thank you for your email which I have copied below with my comments. >>>Perhaps I could encourage you to write a small article on the subject, since you did translate the book, and must have thought it has important instructions to help devotees dealing with this dilemma. I found the book to be very informative in regards to God brother relations . The only other thing we have ever read on this subject was that letter Pradyumnawritten back when the zonal acarya system was being put in place. I would much rather consult this book than consult members of the Gaudiya Math,on what is the correct thing to

do. Thanking you in advance for tolerating my wordy request and my inadequate defense of the diksa gurus of ISKCON. I remain,

Your servant,

Puru Das Adhikari, Curator
Bhaktivedanta Memorial,
> Brooklyn N.Y.

Actually Bhanu Swami translated the book from its original Sanskrit. I only know Bengali and don't know Sanskrit. About the validity of this book. Sri la Prabhupada has mentioned Narahari Thakur in various places in his books. Anyone who tries to discredit one of the eternal associates of Lord Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu would be exposed as a total demon. How can they dare to diminish the value of the words of a Nitya Siddha Associate of Lord Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu?

If during the time of Lord Sri Krishna Caitanya Mahaprabhu these things were happening, then what to speak of now? That is the real point. Then souls were much greater so now we are insignificant fallen souls entered into Bhakti due to Sri la Prabhupada's mercy. If at that time a spiritual master could fall down then what to speak of now? That is the real point. They fail to see this simple logic. What else can I do for you?

Yours in service, Jayapataka Swami

1/22/98 11:18 Dear Jayapataka Maharaja,
     Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Thank you so much for your prompt rely. Krishna Consciousness is simple for the straight and complicated for the crooked.


Their word jugglery often confuses and bewilders's one's intelligence. The same conclusion seemed obvious to me. I guess it is just impossible to explain Srila Prabhupada's causeless mercy to someone unwilling to accept it. Your Servant, Puru Das.

Subject:

1/22/98 22:35 [Text 1119657 from COM]

Camp: ISKCON Copenhagen Country Asram, Mayapur Exhibition Workshop, Denmark.

My Dear Godbrother Puru das,


Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Thankyou for your email which I have copied below with my comments.

> Dear Jayapataka Maharaja, > Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada. Thank > you so much for your prompt rely. Krishna Consciousness is simple for the > straight and complicated for the crooked.

At your service.

> Their word jugglery often confuses and bewilders's one's intelligence. The > same conclusion seemed obvious to me. I guess it is just impossible to > explain Srila Prabhupada's causeless mercy to someone unwilling to accept > it.

They seem selective in what they want to accept from Srila Prabhupada.

I hope this finds you blissful and healthy in Krishna consciousness. Your Servant, Jayapataka Swami

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